# Buena Vista (4-12,0-0 American Rivers) -VS- # Bethel (MN) (6-3,0-0 MIAC)

Box Score

Buena Vista logo
0
vs
Bethel (MN) logo
3

# Buena Vista (4-12,0-0 American Rivers)
-VS-
# Bethel (MN) (6-3,0-0 MIAC)

Team Score By Period
Team 1 2 3
Buena Vista BVU 16 22 17
Winner Bethel (MN) BU 25 25 25
Date:
9/21/2024
Time:
12:00 pm
Site:
Morris, MN (P.E. Center)
Attendance:
38
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Match History vs Bethel (MN)

Match Details

Game Statistics By Set
Set Buena Vista Bethel (MN)
K E TA % K E TA %
Set #1 4 5 30 -0.033 15 5 41 0.244
Set #2 13 7 37 0.162 11 2 24 0.375
Set #3 10 7 47 0.064 16 7 45 0.2
Total 27 19 114 .070 42 14 110 .255
Team Statistical Comparison
Statistic Team Comparison
BVU - BU
Points
32.0
53.0
Kills
27
42
Aces
4
6
Blocks
1
5
Assists
23
35
Digs
41
58

Game Leaders

BU - Leaders
Statistic Leaders
Kills Solberg, Grace (11), Pelzel, Eleanor (7), Van Namen, Ellie (6)
Aces Hetfeld, Lauren (3), Petersen, Mattie (2), Penke, Hannah (1)
Blocks Howie, Peyton (2), Van Namen, Ellie (2), Renken, Camille (2)
Assists Stark, Brenna (13), Van Namen, Ellie (13), Therrien, Grace (3)
Digs Therrien, Grace (19), Penke, Hannah (13), Petersen, Mattie (10)

Individual Statistics

Buena Vista (4-12,0-0 American Rivers)

BVU - Individual
# Player SP Attack Set Serve Block Def Rec
K E TA Pct A E SA SE SA-SE BS BA BE DIG BHE RE Pts
17 17 Brockney, Rachel 3 9 5 38 .105 0 1 1 1 1-1 0 0 0 1 0 0 10.0
18 18 Ignaszewski, Mallory 3 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 1-1 0 0 0 16 0 1 1.0
13 13 Needham, Skylar 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.0
9 9 Thomas, Madison 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1-1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1.0
10 10 Nieuwenhuis, Reese 3 5 6 25 -.040 1 0 0 1 0-1 0 1 0 2 0 0 5.5
22 22 Vaughn, Kyla 3 4 1 13 .231 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 4.0
16 16 Meints, Sydney 3 5 3 12 .167 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.5
5 5 Rausch, Jadyn 3 3 3 16 .000 17 0 0 2 0-2 0 0 0 10 0 0 3.0
7 7 Ramirez, Merced 3 1 1 10 .000 3 0 1 1 1-1 0 0 0 7 0 1 2.0
2 2 Davis, Lacie 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0.0
4 4 Trappe, Kylie 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
TM TM TEAM 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0
Totals 27 19 114 .070 23 1 4 7 4-7 0 2 0 41 0 6 32
BVU - Individual
# Player SP Block Def Rec Pts
BS BA BE DIG BHE RE
17 17 Brockney, Rachel 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 10.0
18 18 Ignaszewski, Mallory 3 0 0 0 16 0 1 1.0
13 13 Needham, Skylar 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.0
9 9 Thomas, Madison 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 1.0
10 10 Nieuwenhuis, Reese 3 0 1 0 2 0 0 5.5
22 22 Vaughn, Kyla 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 4.0
16 16 Meints, Sydney 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.5
5 5 Rausch, Jadyn 3 0 0 0 10 0 0 3.0
7 7 Ramirez, Merced 3 0 0 0 7 0 1 2.0
2 2 Davis, Lacie 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0.0
4 4 Trappe, Kylie 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
TM TM TEAM 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0
Totals 0 2 0 41 0 6 32

Bethel (MN) (6-3,0-0 MIAC)

BU - Individual
# Player SP Attack Set Serve Block Def Rec
K E TA Pct A E SA SE SA-SE BS BA BE DIG BHE RE Pts
5 5 Howie, Peyton 3 5 4 18 .056 0 0 0 2 0-2 0 2 0 0 0 0 6.0
11 11 Petersen, Mattie 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 2-1 0 0 0 10 0 0 2.0
26 26 Stark, Brenna 3 3 2 8 .125 13 1 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 3 0 0 3.0
12 12 Van Namen, Ellie 3 6 0 11 .545 13 0 0 0 0-0 0 2 0 2 0 0 7.0
8 8 Hetfeld, Lauren 3 0 0 1 .000 0 1 3 1 3-1 0 0 0 2 0 0 3.0
14 14 Therrien, Grace 3 1 0 5 .200 3 0 0 1 0-1 0 0 0 19 0 0 1.0
21 21 Renken, Camille 3 6 2 14 .286 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 7.0
31 31 Penke, Hannah 3 3 3 15 .000 3 0 1 3 1-3 0 1 0 13 0 2 4.5
10 10 Barrett, Taylor 2 0 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.0
28 28 Andre, Devanie 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0.0
37 37 Solberg, Grace 2 11 3 23 .348 2 0 0 0 0-0 1 0 1 4 0 0 12.0
4 4 Pelzel, Eleanor 2 7 0 14 .500 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 1 0 2 0 0 7.5
TM TM TEAM 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
Totals 42 14 110 .255 35 2 6 8 6-8 1 8 1 58 0 4 53
BU - Individual
# Player SP Block Def Rec Pts
BS BA BE DIG BHE RE
5 5 Howie, Peyton 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 6.0
11 11 Petersen, Mattie 3 0 0 0 10 0 0 2.0
26 26 Stark, Brenna 3 0 0 0 3 0 0 3.0
12 12 Van Namen, Ellie 3 0 2 0 2 0 0 7.0
8 8 Hetfeld, Lauren 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 3.0
14 14 Therrien, Grace 3 0 0 0 19 0 0 1.0
21 21 Renken, Camille 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 7.0
31 31 Penke, Hannah 3 0 1 0 13 0 2 4.5
10 10 Barrett, Taylor 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.0
28 28 Andre, Devanie 2 0 0 0 1 0 1 0.0
37 37 Solberg, Grace 2 1 0 1 4 0 0 12.0
4 4 Pelzel, Eleanor 2 0 1 0 2 0 0 7.5
TM TM TEAM 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
Totals 1 8 1 58 0 4 53

Play By Play

Set #1 Plays

Set #1 Plays
Serve Team BVU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score BU - Play Description
BU 0 Buena Vista 1 [Petersen, Mattie] Service ace (Team).
BU [Petersen, Mattie] Attack error by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie). 1 Bethel (MN) 1
BVU 1 Buena Vista 2 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Attack error by Meints, Sydney (block by Solberg, Grace).
-- BU subs: Hetfeld, Lauren.
BU 1 Buena Vista 3 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Service ace (Team).
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 2 Bethel (MN) 3
BVU 2 Buena Vista 4 [Rausch, Jadyn] Service error.
BU [Howie, Peyton] Service error. 3 Bethel (MN) 4
-- BVU subs: Nieuwenhuis, Reese.
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 4 Bethel (MN) 4
BVU 4 Buena Vista 5 [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie.
-- BU subs: Stark, Brenna; Barrett, Taylor.
BU 4 Buena Vista 6 [Barrett, Taylor] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Stark, Brenna. 5 Bethel (MN) 6
-- BVU subs: Needham, Skylar.
BVU 5 Buena Vista 7 [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Solberg, Grace.
-- BU subs: Stark, Brenna.
BU [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Stark, Brenna. 6 Bethel (MN) 7
BVU [Ramirez, Merced] Service ace (Team). 7 Bethel (MN) 7
BVU 7 Buena Vista 8 [Ramirez, Merced] Kill by Therrien, Grace.
BU [Therrien, Grace] Service error. 8 Bethel (MN) 8
BVU 8 Buena Vista 9 [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Stark, Brenna (from Penke, Hannah).
BU 8 Buena Vista 10 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 8 Buena Vista 11 [Petersen, Mattie] Service ace (Team).
BU 8 Buena Vista 12 [Petersen, Mattie] Attack error by Brockney, Rachel (block by Van Namen, Ellie; Howie, Peyton).
BU 8 Buena Vista 13 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Howie, Peyton (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU [Petersen, Mattie] Service error. 9 Bethel (MN) 13
BVU [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Attack error by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie). 10 Bethel (MN) 13
BVU 10 Buena Vista 14 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Howie, Peyton (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Service error. 11 Bethel (MN) 14
BVU 11 Buena Vista 15 [Rausch, Jadyn] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie (from Penke, Hannah).
BU [Howie, Peyton] Service error. 12 Bethel (MN) 15
BVU 12 Buena Vista 16 [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Petersen, Mattie).
BU [Barrett, Taylor] Kill by Meints, Sydney (from Ramirez, Merced). 13 Bethel (MN) 16
BVU [Needham, Skylar] Attack error by Renken, Camille (from Stark, Brenna). 14 Bethel (MN) 16
BVU 14 Buena Vista 17 [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 14 Buena Vista 18 [Penke, Hannah] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 14 Buena Vista 19 [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Brockney, Rachel).
-- BVU subs: Trappe, Kylie.
BU 14 Buena Vista 20 [Penke, Hannah] Service ace (Ignaszewski, Mallory).
BU 14 Buena Vista 21 [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn).
BU 14 Buena Vista 22 [Penke, Hannah] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 14 Buena Vista 23 [Penke, Hannah] Kill by Stark, Brenna (from Solberg, Grace).
BU [Penke, Hannah] Service error. 15 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU [Ramirez, Merced] Kill by Vaughn, Kyla (from Rausch, Jadyn), block error by Solberg, Grace. 16 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU 16 Buena Vista 24 [Ramirez, Merced] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Therrien, Grace).
BU 16 Buena Vista 25 [Therrien, Grace] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn).

Set #2 Plays

Set #2 Plays
Serve Team BVU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score BU - Play Description
-- BU subs: Hetfeld, Lauren; Barrett, Taylor; Petersen, Mattie; Solberg, Grace.
-- BVU subs: Trappe, Kylie; Nieuwenhuis, Reese; Needham, Skylar.
-- BU subs: Pelzel, Eleanor; Andre, Devanie.
BVU [Thomas, Madison] Service ace (Penke, Hannah). 1 Bethel (MN) 0
BVU 1 Buena Vista 1 [Thomas, Madison] Service error.
BU [Penke, Hannah] Service error. 2 Bethel (MN) 1
BVU 2 Buena Vista 2 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Service error.
BU [Therrien, Grace] Kill by Meints, Sydney (from Rausch, Jadyn). 3 Bethel (MN) 2
BVU 3 Buena Vista 3 [Rausch, Jadyn] Kill by Howie, Peyton (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 3 Buena Vista 4 [Andre, Devanie] Attack error by Brockney, Rachel (block by Howie, Peyton; Pelzel, Eleanor).
BU [Andre, Devanie] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Ignaszewski, Mallory). 4 Bethel (MN) 4
-- BVU subs: Nieuwenhuis, Reese.
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Service ace (Andre, Devanie). 5 Bethel (MN) 4
BVU 5 Buena Vista 5 [Brockney, Rachel] Attack error by Ramirez, Merced (from Ignaszewski, Mallory).
-- BU subs: Hetfeld, Lauren.
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Meints, Sydney (from Rausch, Jadyn). 6 Bethel (MN) 5
-- BVU subs: Needham, Skylar.
BVU 6 Buena Vista 6 [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Howie, Peyton (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Howie, Peyton] Kill by Vaughn, Kyla (from Rausch, Jadyn). 7 Bethel (MN) 6
BVU 7 Buena Vista 7 [Ramirez, Merced] Service error.
BU [Stark, Brenna] Kill by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn). 8 Bethel (MN) 7
BVU [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Rausch, Jadyn (from Ramirez, Merced). 9 Bethel (MN) 7
BVU 9 Buena Vista 8 [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Penke, Hannah (from Hetfeld, Lauren).
BU 9 Buena Vista 9 [Penke, Hannah] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie (from Therrien, Grace).
BU 9 Buena Vista 10 [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Vaughn, Kyla (from Rausch, Jadyn).
BU 9 Buena Vista 11 [Penke, Hannah] Attack error by Brockney, Rachel (block by Renken, Camille; Van Namen, Ellie).
BU [Penke, Hannah] Bad set by Stark, Brenna. 10 Bethel (MN) 11
BVU [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Service ace (Penke, Hannah). 11 Bethel (MN) 11
BVU [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Rausch, Jadyn (from Pelzel, Eleanor). 12 Bethel (MN) 11
BVU 12 Buena Vista 12 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 12 Buena Vista 13 [Therrien, Grace] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Therrien, Grace] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 13 Bethel (MN) 13
BVU 13 Buena Vista 14 [Rausch, Jadyn] Service error.
BU 13 Buena Vista 15 [Andre, Devanie] Attack error by Meints, Sydney (from Rausch, Jadyn).
BU 13 Buena Vista 16 [Andre, Devanie] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Andre, Devanie] Attack error by Howie, Peyton (from Stark, Brenna). 14 Bethel (MN) 16
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Nieuwenhuis, Reese. 15 Bethel (MN) 16
BVU 15 Buena Vista 17 [Brockney, Rachel] Service error.
BU 15 Buena Vista 18 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Ramirez, Merced).
BU 15 Buena Vista 19 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn).
BU 15 Buena Vista 20 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Penke, Hannah (from Andre, Devanie).
BU 15 Buena Vista 21 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Bad set by Brockney, Rachel.
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Ramirez, Merced). 16 Bethel (MN) 21
BVU [Needham, Skylar] Attack error by Penke, Hannah (from Stark, Brenna). 17 Bethel (MN) 21
BVU 17 Buena Vista 22 [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Penke, Hannah (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Howie, Peyton] Kill by Vaughn, Kyla (from Rausch, Jadyn). 18 Bethel (MN) 22
BVU 18 Buena Vista 23 [Ramirez, Merced] Kill by Renken, Camille (from Stark, Brenna).
BU [Stark, Brenna] Bad set by Hetfeld, Lauren. 19 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 20 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 21 Bethel (MN) 23
-- BU subs: Petersen, Mattie.
BVU 21 Buena Vista 24 [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Service error.
BU [Penke, Hannah] Service error. 22 Bethel (MN) 24
BVU 22 Buena Vista 25 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Van Namen, Ellie).

Set #3 Plays

Set #3 Plays
Serve Team BVU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score BU - Play Description
-- BU subs: Pelzel, Eleanor; Hetfeld, Lauren; Stark, Brenna; Andre, Devanie.
-- BVU subs: Nieuwenhuis, Reese; Needham, Skylar.
-- BU subs: Solberg, Grace.
BU 0 Buena Vista 1 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie.
BU 0 Buena Vista 2 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie (from Penke, Hannah).
BU 0 Buena Vista 3 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 1 Bethel (MN) 3
BVU 1 Buena Vista 4 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie).
-- BU subs: Hetfeld, Lauren.
BU 1 Buena Vista 5 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Attack error by Brockney, Rachel (from Ignaszewski, Mallory).
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Attack error by Penke, Hannah (from Van Namen, Ellie). 2 Bethel (MN) 5
BVU 2 Buena Vista 6 [Rausch, Jadyn] Kill by Howie, Peyton (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 2 Buena Vista 7 [Howie, Peyton] Attack error by Brockney, Rachel (block by Penke, Hannah; Renken, Camille).
BU 2 Buena Vista 8 [Howie, Peyton] Kill by Van Namen, Ellie.
BU [Howie, Peyton] Kill by Ramirez, Merced (from Rausch, Jadyn). 3 Bethel (MN) 8
-- BVU subs: Nieuwenhuis, Reese.
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Meints, Sydney (from Therrien, Grace). 4 Bethel (MN) 8
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Attack error by Renken, Camille (block by Meints, Sydney; Nieuwenhuis, Reese). 5 Bethel (MN) 8
BVU [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Meints, Sydney. 6 Bethel (MN) 8
BVU 6 Buena Vista 9 [Brockney, Rachel] Attack error by Meints, Sydney (from Rausch, Jadyn).
-- BU subs: Stark, Brenna; Barrett, Taylor.
BU [Barrett, Taylor] Attack error by Penke, Hannah (from Stark, Brenna). 7 Bethel (MN) 9
-- BVU subs: Needham, Skylar.
BVU [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn). 8 Bethel (MN) 9
BVU [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Vaughn, Kyla (from Rausch, Jadyn). 9 Bethel (MN) 9
BVU [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Rausch, Jadyn (from Nieuwenhuis, Reese). 10 Bethel (MN) 9
-- BU subs: Pelzel, Eleanor.
BVU 10 Buena Vista 10 [Needham, Skylar] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 10 Buena Vista 11 [Pelzel, Eleanor] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 10 Buena Vista 12 [Pelzel, Eleanor] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Therrien, Grace).
BU [Pelzel, Eleanor] Kill by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Ignaszewski, Mallory). 11 Bethel (MN) 12
BVU 11 Buena Vista 13 [Ramirez, Merced] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Stark, Brenna).
BU 11 Buena Vista 14 [Therrien, Grace] Attack error by Nieuwenhuis, Reese (from Rausch, Jadyn).
BU [Therrien, Grace] Attack error by Howie, Peyton (from Stark, Brenna). 12 Bethel (MN) 14
BVU 12 Buena Vista 15 [Nieuwenhuis, Reese] Kill by Stark, Brenna (from Solberg, Grace).
BU 12 Buena Vista 16 [Petersen, Mattie] Attack error by Rausch, Jadyn.
BU 12 Buena Vista 17 [Petersen, Mattie] Attack error by Rausch, Jadyn.
BU 12 Buena Vista 18 [Petersen, Mattie] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie).
-- BVU subs: Davis, Lacie.
BU [Petersen, Mattie] Attack error by Solberg, Grace (from Howie, Peyton). 13 Bethel (MN) 18
BVU [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Attack error by Howie, Peyton (from Van Namen, Ellie). 14 Bethel (MN) 18
BVU 14 Buena Vista 19 [Ignaszewski, Mallory] Kill by Solberg, Grace (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 14 Buena Vista 20 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 14 Buena Vista 21 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Service ace (Davis, Lacie).
BU 14 Buena Vista 22 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Van Namen, Ellie).
BU 14 Buena Vista 23 [Hetfeld, Lauren] Service ace (Ramirez, Merced).
BU [Hetfeld, Lauren] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 15 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU [Rausch, Jadyn] Attack error by Howie, Peyton (from Van Namen, Ellie). 16 Bethel (MN) 23
BVU 16 Buena Vista 24 [Rausch, Jadyn] Attack error by Rausch, Jadyn.
BU [Howie, Peyton] Kill by Brockney, Rachel (from Rausch, Jadyn). 17 Bethel (MN) 24
BVU 17 Buena Vista 25 [Brockney, Rachel] Kill by Pelzel, Eleanor (from Van Namen, Ellie).